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The Hebrew word shamayim is constructed of two parts: sham (שָׁמַ) derived from Akkadian samu meaning "sky" or "lofty", and Hebrew mayim (מַיִם) meaning "water".
Exodus 24 describes a throne made of sapphire. If the "spiritual part" is not a prisoner of the body, then what is it a prisoner of?
In Genesis 1:6 Elohim separated the "water from the water". That's why its 'the way. Ezekiel 1 describes a throne room made of angels and God's throne being seated on a flying angel. 5). That kind of thinking has caused more clouds than it has cleared.Most read the bible and literally believe all the allegorical stuff and then totally dismiss the more literal stuff, because it is not literally presented.
"The singular and plural have distinct overtones and therefore should be distinguished in translation (though unfortunately they rarely are)" (G. Archer). 'Again, you tread upon Solipsism, but that aside, I don't see the connection that you are trying to draw.If, we are to take your statements here and apply them, you can not really offer much in the way of a coherent argument. Carl Sagan said something like... we are part of the cosmos trying to know itself. I'm not talking about the grey haired god, but rather what I have always perceived as what God really is--the united mind of the universe--the consciousness that is also energy, light, vibrations, waves. We are a part of the cosmos, this universe, not separate or distinct from it. !Next will be Genesis, "Let there be light" changed to "let there be a big bang", and the "God I think they just thought of it as the sky, on a cloud. 'It's totally metaphysical in it's suggestion. As you said: It is our 'skin' which separates us perceptually from that truth. I happen to think not.We are only in bonds to something we perceive as a restraining agent. But if those who formed ancient religions (including Chrsitianity) believed god resided in the sky, why is it valid to discount this today?That's the funny thing with religion, it stubbornly have to adjust to new scientific findings. You have hit the nail on the head. Carl Sagan said something like... we are part of the cosmos trying to know itself. God--the universe--the consciousness that pervades and creates--that which makes us aliveSkin--sin--the separation which covers us with a powerful delusion that makes us believe we are not united in a permanent, ethereal way.It's not the actuality of it that is our prison--it is our perception of what we think is reality.You have hit the nail on the head. In modern times, the word "heaven" is often assumed to be a somewhat abstract place. lxviii. Exodus 24, Ezekiel 1, Isaiah 6, 2 Chronology 18 and 1 Kings 22 describe God seated on a throne, with angels surrounding him. Rather Amanda, you are arguing that we are separate and distinct from the universe.Where is this eternal realm located if not in the sky that entomology of the word heaven refers too.We are only in bonds to something we perceive as a restraining agent. 2 Chronology 18 and 1 Kings 22 describe angels to the right and the left of God, like prosecutors and defendants to the right and left of a judge in a The Biblical authors pictured the earth as a flat disk floating in water, with the heavens above and the underworld below.In the course of the 1st millennium CE Jewish scholars developed an elaborate system of Beyond Paradise, according to Legends of the Jews, is the higher Gan Eden, where God is enthroned and explains the Torah to its inhabitants.The Seven Heavens in the Talmud. Where is this eternal realm located if not in the sky that entomology of the word heaven refers too.
From what I have been able to surmise, the words translated as heaven from ancient Greek and Hebrew actually translates as "sky".Did those people have any concept of heaven as different from the sky itself, and if not, why has the concept changed today?I would guess that knowledge of astronomy changed the definition. 3772 ouranós – heaven (singular), and nearly as often used in the plural ("heavens"). Isaiah 6 describes an altar standing before God's throne. There are four Hebrew words thus rendered in the Old Testament which we may briefly notice. Maybe this spiritual part is not a prisoner of this body, and when the body is gone... we transcend it and become one with this ethereal realm... possibly referred to as heaven?
The area above the earth was filled by sky-water (sham-mayim) and the earth below was covered by sea-water (). It does seem that many people picture, literally, a throne in the sky with a white haired sandaled man sitting there larger than anything.That seems crazy to me--those were thoughts I had when 8 or 9 years old. If so, it should be a measurable event. To me, if one can believe God made everything--and God is good, then why is not everything God made therefore good? "Genesis 1:1
If all we perceive is a "lie" for whatever reasons you choose to posit, then your assertions like that of Also, I am not making an argument against Christianity per se or that Christianity is a "lie" like everything else in life as you so stated above. It's actual etymology derives from "god's house". The physical world makes us it's prisoner, and by being shown that a soul can live after physical death, that is the reality and the reason for the 'lost sheep' and the 'shepherd.' Christianity is a perversion of the truth just like everything else. or, lo there! 'Hi Queenie, thanks for the different spin on things.Depends I suppose if you believe that the "mind" is independent of the brain. The physical world makes us it's prisoner, and by being shown that a soul can live after physical death, that is the reality and the reason for the 'lost sheep' and the 'shepherd. Word Origin a prim. Could it be a dimension outside this miraculously individually 'owned experience' we perceive here?
The Hebrew word shamayim is constructed of two parts: sham (שָׁמַ) derived from Akkadian samu meaning "sky" or "lofty", and Hebrew mayim (מַיִם) meaning "water".
Exodus 24 describes a throne made of sapphire. If the "spiritual part" is not a prisoner of the body, then what is it a prisoner of?
In Genesis 1:6 Elohim separated the "water from the water". That's why its 'the way. Ezekiel 1 describes a throne room made of angels and God's throne being seated on a flying angel. 5). That kind of thinking has caused more clouds than it has cleared.Most read the bible and literally believe all the allegorical stuff and then totally dismiss the more literal stuff, because it is not literally presented.
"The singular and plural have distinct overtones and therefore should be distinguished in translation (though unfortunately they rarely are)" (G. Archer). 'Again, you tread upon Solipsism, but that aside, I don't see the connection that you are trying to draw.If, we are to take your statements here and apply them, you can not really offer much in the way of a coherent argument. Carl Sagan said something like... we are part of the cosmos trying to know itself. I'm not talking about the grey haired god, but rather what I have always perceived as what God really is--the united mind of the universe--the consciousness that is also energy, light, vibrations, waves. We are a part of the cosmos, this universe, not separate or distinct from it. !Next will be Genesis, "Let there be light" changed to "let there be a big bang", and the "God I think they just thought of it as the sky, on a cloud. 'It's totally metaphysical in it's suggestion. As you said: It is our 'skin' which separates us perceptually from that truth. I happen to think not.We are only in bonds to something we perceive as a restraining agent. But if those who formed ancient religions (including Chrsitianity) believed god resided in the sky, why is it valid to discount this today?That's the funny thing with religion, it stubbornly have to adjust to new scientific findings. You have hit the nail on the head. Carl Sagan said something like... we are part of the cosmos trying to know itself. God--the universe--the consciousness that pervades and creates--that which makes us aliveSkin--sin--the separation which covers us with a powerful delusion that makes us believe we are not united in a permanent, ethereal way.It's not the actuality of it that is our prison--it is our perception of what we think is reality.You have hit the nail on the head. In modern times, the word "heaven" is often assumed to be a somewhat abstract place. lxviii. Exodus 24, Ezekiel 1, Isaiah 6, 2 Chronology 18 and 1 Kings 22 describe God seated on a throne, with angels surrounding him. Rather Amanda, you are arguing that we are separate and distinct from the universe.Where is this eternal realm located if not in the sky that entomology of the word heaven refers too.We are only in bonds to something we perceive as a restraining agent. 2 Chronology 18 and 1 Kings 22 describe angels to the right and the left of God, like prosecutors and defendants to the right and left of a judge in a The Biblical authors pictured the earth as a flat disk floating in water, with the heavens above and the underworld below.In the course of the 1st millennium CE Jewish scholars developed an elaborate system of Beyond Paradise, according to Legends of the Jews, is the higher Gan Eden, where God is enthroned and explains the Torah to its inhabitants.The Seven Heavens in the Talmud. Where is this eternal realm located if not in the sky that entomology of the word heaven refers too.
From what I have been able to surmise, the words translated as heaven from ancient Greek and Hebrew actually translates as "sky".Did those people have any concept of heaven as different from the sky itself, and if not, why has the concept changed today?I would guess that knowledge of astronomy changed the definition. 3772 ouranós – heaven (singular), and nearly as often used in the plural ("heavens"). Isaiah 6 describes an altar standing before God's throne. There are four Hebrew words thus rendered in the Old Testament which we may briefly notice. Maybe this spiritual part is not a prisoner of this body, and when the body is gone... we transcend it and become one with this ethereal realm... possibly referred to as heaven?
The area above the earth was filled by sky-water (sham-mayim) and the earth below was covered by sea-water (). It does seem that many people picture, literally, a throne in the sky with a white haired sandaled man sitting there larger than anything.That seems crazy to me--those were thoughts I had when 8 or 9 years old. If so, it should be a measurable event. To me, if one can believe God made everything--and God is good, then why is not everything God made therefore good? "Genesis 1:1
If all we perceive is a "lie" for whatever reasons you choose to posit, then your assertions like that of Also, I am not making an argument against Christianity per se or that Christianity is a "lie" like everything else in life as you so stated above. It's actual etymology derives from "god's house". The physical world makes us it's prisoner, and by being shown that a soul can live after physical death, that is the reality and the reason for the 'lost sheep' and the 'shepherd.' Christianity is a perversion of the truth just like everything else. or, lo there! 'Hi Queenie, thanks for the different spin on things.Depends I suppose if you believe that the "mind" is independent of the brain. The physical world makes us it's prisoner, and by being shown that a soul can live after physical death, that is the reality and the reason for the 'lost sheep' and the 'shepherd. Word Origin a prim. Could it be a dimension outside this miraculously individually 'owned experience' we perceive here?