1. During other periods, the penalty could increase to 10 points. We can’t leave it to the XYZ Group to think for us. Phones have motion sensors. ht tps://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/dec/17/mobile-phone-detection-cameras-more-than-3000-nsw-drivers-week, Caseface • I think you’ve missed the real point behind this. When they deployed one of these cameras near my work, the city explained that it will catch people using their phones when stopped at the light. Peter Knoppers • It’s the way of “The brave new world” very cheap technology has built that we are being forced to live in, irrespective of our wishes. A film with international locations, would have captions spelling out ‘Berlin, Germany’ but the towns in the US of A would only have the name of the town, never ‘USA, border of Mexico’ after it. My quick glance is less than conclusive – but it does show that there is no “obvious danger”. Markdown Extra syntax via https://michelf.ca/projects/php-markdown/extra/. - • Even a badly formed basis for taking legal or criminal action requires at least a duty of care, let alone proof beyond a reasonable doubt. In the Law of Unintended Consequences the site Insurance Institute for Highway Safety, Highway Loss Data Institute, tells us in their September 28th, 2010 report that, Texting bans don’t reduce crashes; effects are slight crash increases because the Texter is trying harder to hide what they are doing, becoming even more distracted. Hauke • Jonathan Marcus • After all history has shown us that public flogging, hanging, drawing and quatering and putting the body up in a jibbet for all to see rotting was not sufficient to stop even petty crime…. After the first three months, drivers caught using their phones illegally will lose five points and be issued a $344 fine. Thus whilst the phone might not be accelerating, it is moving in space that effects it’s time refrence thus it’s inverse frequency refrence. Importantly the figures that appears to be of most importance are below ~10m/S the number of fatalities are small and injuries often no more than grazes and bruising, and above ~20m/S where the number of fatalities is very high and injuries servere enough to cause breaking of bones and internal detachment and rupturing of organs. The introduction of such enforcement systems, and analysis of safety statistics over time, may offer some opportunity to gauge effectiveness. Just as a pedestrian, how many drivers fail to look at you when crossing the street? If hands-free talking whilst driving is dangerous, then so must talking to passengers, especially because some people look at the passenger whilst speaking to them. All related links to any of those no longer function. They then use speed measuring equipment to record the offence and use it as evidence for a prosecution. You speak to me like I’m a child that doesn’t understand reality – but it’s you that doesn’t accept that your pre-conceived notions aren’t supported by evidence. PICTURED: The new smart cameras catching drivers on their mobile phones - as it's revealed motorists are distracted 45 PER CENT of the time. Jaime • The program plans to perform 135 million checks in NSW by 2023. Now that I have learned more I understand that my question could have been addressed as a meta-question more appropriate to the philosophy of science. JonKnowsNothing • When it was first imposed there was a massive amount of reporting about how it was saving lives. Interest arises mainly when media creates “crises” which are generally exaggerations of issues that are hardly new or critical. Why can mobile phone cameras “see” infrared? December 4, 2019 7:27 AM. If the carrier says “Yes, a call was active”, then proceed? Not sure why people are not using hands free tech like Bluetooth as it is available in vast majority of the cars here in Australia? December 3, 2019 3:28 AM. The kinetic energy of an object in relation to another is. What could go wrong? I can’t recall the figures but there was a several hundred percentage increase in court applications expected owing to these fines. Even extensive meta-analysis fails to resolve contradictions because studies that don’t achieve the desired result never see the light of day and cannot be taken into account. @MarkH – has told me that people die while driving and we don’t exactly know why It’s a mystery, and a blessing, that this remains largely the case amidst a tsunami of disinformation and pervasive politicization. It’s actually Galilean relativity. Good man, Galileo. From giving you the ability to listen to audio tracks, watch videos, store and share images, cell phones can basically act as a mini computer giving you the opportunity to search the internet and perform a host of other advanced applications. Australia is serious about keeping your eyes on the road. Dangerous driving is the cause. Cameras that Automatically Detect Mobile Phone Use. Some companies provide much more value than others. January 16, 2020 12:17 PM. And who is CATO? Every year I see some media outlet reporting that the Honda Civic is the most stolen car in America. Now I see a lot of claims that it made a marginal difference. We will be getting them north in Queensland too, $1000 fine and 4 demerit points. any information we might use to make these assessments is always generated or promulgated by interested parties, making it useless. The media attention is mostly about attracting eyeballs in an ever increasing competition of media hyperbole. While the speed limit may or may not save lives depending on what stats you are looking at and it was certainly re-imposed to “save gas” with the “think about the children!” reasons that were given at the time. Australia uses a points system for drivers -- unrestricted driver's licenses have 13 points. © 2021 CNET, A RED VENTURES COMPANY. Australia will start implementing AI-powered mobile phone detection cameras this month. @Jonathan Marcus – has mentioned that maybe the missing obviousness is missing from a different date than where I was looking; but is still missing December 3, 2019 5:03 PM. But as I pointed out above, at heart this regulation is not about safety but revenue raising. December 2, 2019 7:28 AM. Microsoft being a late entrent in the “Data theft” game via “OS Telemetry” will also no doubt be looking at how to make money from such a potential income stream if they can. The energy can be reduced linearly by decreasing the mass, but reduced by a power law by reducing the velocity. December 4, 2019 11:15 AM, “…the poor devil would die of starvation surrounded by a several years of food all due to not being able to get at it through the wrapping and packaging…”. NSW law forbids a driver to have their hand on a phone unless parked out of the traffic flow except to hand it to a passenger. @TimH would you be any happier if the time-stamped photo of the driver with a cell phone held to their ear was used as cause for a warrant to obtain cell phone records for that moment. You seem to be agreeing with me. December 7, 2019 1:40 AM. Several aspects of the 55-Alive issue that gets lost or forgotten. Bob Paddock • People can potentially be injured from attempts at opening difficult packages: use of cutting tools can pose a risk of damage to the contents of the package. December 2, 2019 7:25 PM. Both are almost entirely unneeded and when I was young unknown[1]. Hands free or no. December 3, 2019 9:16 AM. This problem of inexactitude hasn’t prevented effective improvements in the past. [2] What my mum taught me was a strong bag with decent handles and some old newspapers (which are probably the most sterile thing in most households). No more invitations for me! The media has warned the courts are likely to be overwhelmed, as the money to improve the courts capacity for processing has not been budgeted in the expenditure for the cameras. Positives (hand-held device found) are re-checked by humans. Novice pillion rider plus driver looking at the map or negotiating a pick up. In my country (U.S.), both government and major non-government institutions gathering and disseminating information about public health and safety do that work much more neutrally than politically. There are a lot of risks in life. December 2, 2019 3:33 PM, Because motion sensors can only detect acceleration, not movement. The extreme example is the Autobahn in Germany. Prior to that, mobile phones were pretty expensive and required some kind of income to sustain (meaning only people of working age who could afford such a luxury had one). I actually have a cut on the back of my middle finger right now, from a key snapping when opening a tin of corned beef. What is the reality? CATO, a libertarian “think tank” organization in the U.S., in 2018 ranked Australia the 4th best state in the world for human freedom. It’s a popular topic, but an incorrect conclusion. Also, start an educational blitz on the danger of phones and driving? The other point being neglected is mobile phone use didn’t become ubiquitous until the early 2000s. It is legal to use it hands free (although probably shouldn’t be) as long as you aren’t touching it. Phones have motion sensors. Location sensors can detect movement, but would disable genuine usage by car passengers, bus passengers or train passengers. When non-fatal injuries are included, these numbers grow vastly larger. Already experimented in the Netherlands, France and the UK and manufactured in the US by Comsonics (at least). New speed cameras that can detect if you’re on your phone hit UK NEW super speed cameras can catch you using your mobile phone, eating, drinking and smoking behind the … No doubt many will refuse to accept that it’s a proper role of government to pursue practical measures likely to improve public safety. December 3, 2019 11:34 AM. Not sure if there is a name for the rage you feel when trying to open a “tetrapack” of milk or fruit juice, when it just goes everywhere, usually the person trying to avoid it gets a good hosing down. MarkH • 2008: 3.0 Older people die at a similar rate, but have a different distraction. So if cell phones increased deaths, what factor was reduced to magically make the graph look smooth in the twenty-first century? December 3, 2019 10:49 AM. This personal website expresses the opinions of none of those organizations. Ismar • I think this is a great thing. Mobile phone detection cameras will go live in Queensland and Victoria this week in a bid to lower the number of accidents caused by people using their phones. December 9, 2019 12:11 AM. December 3, 2019 1:55 PM. THE world’s first camera to catch drivers using their mobile phones has arrived – and it could come to the UK. However, it is the responsibility of the claim maker to show evidence for his claim. annnonny • December 3, 2019 1:02 PM. New overhead cameras will go live in Victoria to detect motorists using mobile phones with increased fines and demerit points likely after an initial trial. December 2, 2019 10:25 AM, Minor nit. Ray Foulkes • A driver with phone slapped on an ear has presumably done the dangerous part. I figure the data on distracted driving is such that phone use by the driver should be banned entirely. How about never, is never good for you • Find and buy cameras that detect mobile phone use nsw from Our Shop with low costs and good quality all over the world. If mobile phone use is really causing an alarming increase in traffic collisions,.. A quick search of NHTSA provided this list of documents. How they’d tell if you were doing something else I dunno… My guess is that if there was a crash they’d check the phone and data records but as you use data when navigating that won’t get them very far. Bad road designs kill a lot of folks too, fixing them is more costly than putting up signs that says 55 MPH and giving a cop a radar gun. With driving the punishment needs to be such that transgretion is totaly life changing. Usually USA-ians will refer to a town in the middle of some USA state no one has heard of and assume the whole world knows where they are talking about. Faustus • Furthet you can be assured that both Alphabet (Google) and Amazon will be keeping a very close eye on this and looking at it as a potential revenue stream. When you dig a little deeper you will find the reality is “Raising revenue via technology”. As I understand it, the story is about a novel enforcement method, not a change in what is permitted vs. what is prohibited. It might increase it slightly, but so too would doing anything not driving-related whilst driving. To let drivers adjust, warning letters will be sent to those spotted using phones by the cameras for the first three months. The cameras, using their elevated position, are being tested to identify a mobile phone being used in hand by instantly scanning a passing car and recognising what is happening inside. Basically this little scheme is a “faux market” designed to take money from the citizens and provide it to the chosen few. By Freya Noble • Senior Producer. Posted on December 2, 2019 at 5:56 AM • Alejandro • When I asked how I was to interpret the fact that professor A was teaching that theory X1 was clearly supported by the data while professor B’s absolutely contradictory theory X2 was promulgated with the same certainty in their class, it was like I farted. This is also false. The reality is the 55mph limit was imposed to save gas, not lives, because of the gas shortage/oil embargo in the 1970’s. It is pretty clear that outside hard pure sciences, just like with surveys, a study can be designed to get whatever answer the experimenter wants, especially when any contradictory results can be hidden away. Being rolled out in New South Wales, Australia, the high-tech system has a… Bob Paddock • I saw this in a Spielberg film recently. The desirability of Australia and other westernized countries is their relative wealth and economic benefits, not civil rights or personal freedom. Way to many humans are inherently selfish in their daily actions. A friend who was a police officer some years ago did “traffic policing” and came to the conclusion that nobody behind the wheel ever told the truth. It is claimed the revenue raised will go to some kind of community road support fund. It seems to me that most safety (or security) initiatives as well as most other government initiatives are pushed by the people selling the technology or consulting services more than any social need. However, a better way to change behavior would be to have the traffic police increased and have them do a blitz on it. Related: How to Easily Fix Your Android Camera Crashes. If the evidence they provide is that post accident investigation shows that texting was involved in x% of accidents, well then that simply gets us to your position. Cell phones today have become a lot more than communication devices. These traffic cameras can spot you using your phone while driving. Be carefull with holding or touching anything that is even vaguely phone-sized, because the NSW legislation deems that object to be a mobile phone and the penalties kick in. The person you’re talking to on the phone can’t see what’s happening and will go on talking, distracting you while you’re trying to deal with the situation. In the case of Airbnb, your host is required to list any cameras they have, whether or not they’re turned on. December 3, 2019 3:30 AM. David • Cameras used for monitoring traffic in real time aren’t used for enforcement and therefore cannot be used to issue fines to drivers using their phones. Regardless, clearly the corporations and governments see talking on the phone while driving as a new revenue source more than a safety issue. December 4, 2019 7:50 AM. That the U.S. has only about 35,000 road deaths per year — rather than some higher number — is good news. Alejandro • 2003: 2.9 ie., you will have to prove that the chocolate slab is not a mobile phone. 2012: 3.0 , TimH • Of course using it for navigation makes that unworkable so in a cradle is about the best compromise. Australia is cracking down on drivers who use cellphones while behind the wheel. Not to mention all the confounding influences (safety equipment, traffic patterns, speed limits, etc) that make your quick glance at raw national data…less than conclusive. name.withheld.for.obvious.reasons • December 2, 2019 10:19 AM. If it refers to the magnitude of risk, governments (like almost every human being or institution) respond to risks with poor correlation to their magnitudes. It allowed more speed traps to be interspersed on the highways. The cameras detect the speed of the vehicle also and have other capabilties, although they are only implemented for assessing cell use at this stage. 2007: 3.0 December 2, 2019 8:35 AM. A lot of people here are saying that it’s obvious that mobile phone use while driving is causing safety problems. As a consultant I never participated in a study that didn’t conclude that my company’s services were needed. @Alejandro – education on the danger of using phones while driving has been tried and failed. Features of Detect Hidden Devices: - Anyone can use - Detect Hidden Devices - Find Microphones - Spy Camera Finder - Lightweight Application - Detect Listening Devices and spy bugs Usage of Detect Hidden Devices: Just move the Detect hidden devices app near the suspected area. Jaime • My brother is a donkey! But nobody there cared enough about the actual truth to have delved into the question so they could point me in this direction. Since 1 March 2020, mobile phone detection cameras, including fixed and transportable cameras, have been targeting drivers illegally using a mobile phone across NSW anywhere, anytime. Figures from the UK’s ROSPA have confirmed this reduction in velocity year after year for as long as I can remember. I would say that “any distraction whilst driving increases the likelihood of a collision” becsuse at best it slows down reaction times in which a collision might be avoided. If you think I’m wrong, feel free to disagree, but I think time will tell, as more and more such “Revenue by Fine” systems and the supporting legislation is brought in… Let’s just say I’d like to be wrong, but that’s not the way it’s currently playing out. What the report doesn’t mention, is that young people have always died from crashes caused by distracted driving, even before the cell phone, and it doesn’t compare cell-phone era data to pre-cell-phone era data. Premier Gladys Berejiklian is calling for … January 16, 2020 3:56 AM. The technology for this has been around for most of this century and in Japan Nissan actually put a GPS speed restricter in it’s GT-R and some other vehicles. Data Is a Toxic Asset, So Why Not Throw It Out? Oh, and there was no shortage of gas. I am thinking some kind of Bluetooth instructions. People know they shouldn’t be doing it and they do it anyway because, you know, they are better drivers than everyone else and can multitask. Looking at how inattentive people are without a phone, to me suggests the larger problem is the idiot at the wheel, and not the phone. If you’re caught in a school zone, the fine becomes $457. Richard Hartley-Parkinson Friday 1 Nov 2019 6:57 am. New equipment which can detect mobile phone use in cars is being rolled out in part of the Uk and could be spread across the country. People’s own actions largely demonstrate a complete disinterest in making personal choices to support safety and security and privacy. NEW hi-tech cameras that detect drivers using their mobile phones without them even knowing and automatically issues fines could soon change everything. Maybe some of you should ride a motorcycle in traffic where people are using their phones and you might change your opinion. High-tech cameras to capture clear images of drivers using their mobile phones New camera technology is available to help detect these actions. New South Wales is implementing a camera system that automatically detects when a driver is using a mobile phone. Further that the “inattentive” is distracted by choice and they care not a jot what the source of the distraction is as long as it distracts from the tedium of “being attentive”. You assert that prohibiting cell phone use while driving is done for public safety reasons.
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